Persuade Two Piece Elongated Toilet with 12" Rough In
Great...once it is in
I purchased the Kohler persuade toilet about a month ago and had it installed. My easygoing handyman cursed while trying to put this in, it took him about two hours. The toilet itself is great, it flushes so well (even on the .8 gallon flush) that I ordered one for another bathroom. An experienced plumber put this one in. It took him over three hours - and he now swears that if he sees another one, he will refuse to intall it. Apparently there is no wiggle room in installation, everything needs to be exact - so in an older home with imperfect surfaces, this is a real challenge. For function once it has been installed, I do not think the Kohler persuade can be beat. Works far better than our old 3.5 gpf toilets. It looks really great. And, apparently, not many people in my city will have one, since the word is out and nobody would be willing to install it. So I give it a high recommendation, with reservations regarding installation.
July 17, 2008
Nice looking, but incomplete flush
I just had 3 of these toilets installed in my home as part of a major renovation. The builder assured me they use these in many homes. I can't speak to the installation, only performance. The toilet is sleek looking and was ordered with the optional soft-close seat. It's easy to clean...but...you have to clean it often. A member of my household suffers from chronic diarrhea and has to flush TWICE to clear the bowl. It also sometimes spatters out of the bowl while flushing because the flush is very rapid and forceful. I've noticed a few squares of toilet paper don't always go down with with the #1 flush. So I doubt we'll be saving water in the long-run. The interior of the bowl also starts looking dingy and stained within a few days of cleaning, so keep a toilet brush handy! Overall, it's not a terrible toilet, but I wish the flush did a better job of clearing the bowl.
July 5, 2011
Toilet was easy to install, as long as you have a minimum of 12" from the wall to center of the drain. Comes with template, install including drilling and mounting brackets, 45 mins at the most
March 21, 2010
Install a pain, but worth it.
Installation was annoying, this toliet has two brackets that screw to the floor under the toliet instead of conventional j-bolts to hold it down. More time consuming, but annoying more than anything when trying to get proper alignment with thread-in bolt holes you can't see. Once installed, toliet works & looks great. Dual flush is cool & saves water. Very easy to clean with no crevices to collect filth.
February 16, 2010
Skirted toilets can be a pain
If your supply is off-center from the outlet and the outlet isn't far enough from the wall, avoid this toilet and, I would guess, any skirted toilet. It won't fit without moving existing supply around! Go for a more traditional base. The toilet may have worked really well, but I just wanted a new toilet. I didn't want to redo my powder room! I am in the process of shipping it back. Instead, I chose a dual flush Sterling with a traditional base. It fits well and it has a 5 year warrantee.
June 17, 2011
I'd return it if i could
I bought this toilet from this website in august of 2010, but we only installed it last summer. First of all as a woman i can't tell what exactly was hard at instalation but something was, because my very handy husband said something....... i don't know what but like we had to had different opening in the floor for this kind of toilet and something about extra hose or pipe .....(woman is writing so....). Second and the MOST ANNOYING feature of this toilet is - IT'S UNBELIEVABLE SPEED OF GETTING DIRTY!!!!! We have 3 toilets in the house, one of them is from local big store, another some other well known brand and this one was the most expensive and used as much as other on from the big box store, but gets dirty so often. Actually i have to say - every time someone goes there for big business, it has to be cleaned!!! I mean it has to be really cleaned with sponge or paper towel and some Comet (remeber to don't throw any paper towels in it also - this one will not "swallow it unlike my cheap, but OMG such a great toilet from L.....'s"!!!) Even when my little 3 y.o. son does his big business like a little tiny bird this toilet can't flash it clean after him! I always have to use dual flash button pressed together, so toilet doesn't smell. Because if u just use eco friendly button with little flush after ur little business - it will start smelling at some point! I think the problem is not the dual flash, but the bowl shape. If it 'd be shaped differently i think it wouldn't get as dirty every single time, but right now shape inside of the bowl is wierd.
Such a dissapointment for me. I was glad i purchased Kohler toilet, but after a year I can tell for sure - it one of the worst toilet (in the sence of cleaness) i ve ever seen-used-had-cleaned.
It is necessary to say that i am very clean super organized woman, and i have 3 toilets that are regulary cleaned and sanitized, but this one has to come with it's own attached Scrubbing Lady!
I would not recommend it at all, but many nKohler products I love and have not one problem, it's just this one was a bad from them.
I would give this toilet a minus 5 stars...
May 24, 2012
The Best Toilet!
I have had one of these toilets installed and will be getting another one put in. My general contractor had no problems whatsoever with the installation! It works great, looks sleek and is easy to clean with the covered trap. The sani gloss finish in the bowl is another bonus.
I did my research and highly recommend this one!
February 11, 2010
Fantastic after difficult install
Installation took my experienced handyman 5 hours to complete. The house was built in 1918, and the flooring was apparently not level. When I had tile installed a few years ago, the installer didn't bother to level the floor before tiling. End result was the flange had been damaged by the city-provided 1.6 gal. Toto ULFT (cheap quality but free!). I actually changed out that toilet easily myself. The unique mounting system for the new Kohler toilet actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise.
If I had hired a union plumber, he or she may have taken less than one hour to install, or maybe more than five. I think that cost could equal the cost of the toilet, shipping, and tax. I suggest if you choose this great toilet that you get a flat rate bid, not hourly, for the install.
Beautiful look, quiet, dual-flush works perfectly with a payback from water savings of about two years. I wish the quiet-seat option were available, as well as a higher seat, but I may have done inadequate research. Not sure if it qualifies for a rebate - would like to know, but it requires original receipt. I only have a receipt I printed out on my printer from FaucetDirect.com. Advice??
April 24, 2010